RFPNW- Where to Sign form?

[jmack383]

I know there have been a lot of threads on the RFPNW. My captain has just finished checking me off on the RFPNW form and was curious as where to sign.
In the beginning of the check list it states...
"Ships' officers who witness the successful demonstration of a mariner's competency, performed in accordance with the assessment standards, should print their name, sign the appropriate line in this checklist and include their license number."

Now my question is do they sign off on the checklist on the first two pages which are an index with the date? On the the other 21 pages there is just a line that says designated examiner/shipboard assessor, does he print and sign his name there? I appreciate the help.

Fair winds and following seas all,
JMB

[Shellback]

On each of the 21 assessments,at the bottom, there is a place for the assessor to sign,print and date,along with their license number....At least on the forms that I used....

Also the NMC wants a signature for the sea going service ( record of watch standing) from the person or persons, who signed the assessments...

[jmack383]

On each of the 21 assessments,at the bottom, there is a place for the assessor to sign,print and date,along with their license number....At least on the forms that I used....

Also the NMC wants a signature for the sea going service ( record of watch standing) from the person or persons, who signed the assessments...

What does the sea going service letter entail? Is it a form or just a log book of watches that I did the assessments under?

[jmack383]

On each of the 21 assessments,at the bottom, there is a place for the assessor to sign,print and date,along with their license number....At least on the forms that I used....

Also the NMC wants a signature for the sea going service ( record of watch standing) from the person or persons, who signed the assessments...

Does my captain have to get a letter of sea service from my company proving he was on the boat the same time that I was?

[Shellback]

http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/marpers/pag/14-02.pdf

Here is a copy of the policy letter..Open up the link and scroll down and you will see the assessments that need to be signed..

The only thing this doesn't include, is a log of the watches that you stood..You need to list each sea going day by date and the watch you stood, then have the Captain/Mate sign off each day..

There are also forms for RFPEW on this so if you don't wish to burn up extra paper and ruin a ink cartridge I suggest you look it over first before you print it..good luck...

[Capt Brian]

You need to list each sea going day by date and the watch you stood, then have the Captain/Mate sign off each day.

Note that the policy letter clearly states "master, chief mate, or an officer in charge of the watch who holds a license of second mate or higher" . There is a potential that your assessments will be 'kicked' back becasuse a 500/1600 Mate or 3rd Mate signed off.

[jmack383]

ok so here is another question, Does an STCW certification from the school where you take class expire?

[trekleader]

...an STCW certification...

Which one?

[jmack383]

Which one?

STCW all 4 certifications...First Aid, Basic Personal Safety and Social Responsibilities, 16 hour basic firefighting, and Personal Survival Techniques. I have received all 4 from a coast guard approved school but it has been over a year since I took the course. I was wondering if I would still be able to use them to upgrade to A/B?
Thanks

[jmack383]

http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/marpers/pag/14-02.pdf

Here is a copy of the policy letter..Open up the link and scroll down and you will see the assessments that need to be signed..

The only thing this doesn't include, is a log of the watches that you stood..You need to list each sea going day by date and the watch you stood, then have the Captain/Mate sign off each day..

There are also forms for RFPEW on this so if you don't wish to burn up extra paper and ruin a ink cartridge I suggest you look it over first before you print it..good luck...

Just for the days I did the assessments right?

[Shellback]

http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/checklists/M...FPNW.pdf&B1=GO!

Capt Brian makes a great point, as there was some confusion as to who can sign..Check out the assessment portion, it states that 500/1600 Ton is OK..This is the first time that I have seen any type of clarification on this matter, too bad it isn't in the policy letter....

[jmack383]

http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/checklists/M...FPNW.pdf&B1=GO!

Capt Brian makes a great point, as there was some confusion as to who can sign..Check out the assessment portion, it states that 500/1600 Ton is OK..This is the first time that I have seen any type of clarification on this matter, too bad it isn't in the policy letter....

My captain holds a 1600 ton license so I think I will be ok

[jmack383]

http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/checklists/M...FPNW.pdf&B1=GO!

Capt Brian makes a great point, as there was some confusion as to who can sign..Check out the assessment portion, it states that 500/1600 Ton is OK..This is the first time that I have seen any type of clarification on this matter, too bad it isn't in the policy letter....

Shellback do you have any idea as per my STCW question?

[Shellback]

Just for the days I did the assessments right?

My advice is to read the policy letter and get very familar with it...

Each assessment needs to be signed off individually, that means 21 seperate signatures..

Then you need 180 days of watch standing..A watch is 4 hours,

2, four hour watches constitute a day..or 8 hours of watch standing

Keep a log and write down the start time and end time of the watch that you stood, have the Capt sign and date each and every one of them....

[Shellback]

Shellback do you have any idea as per my STCW question?

Yes, but you should do your own research as well...

I believe that all of those course certificates expire within one year..Mine did when I was going for AB..They may say how long they are good for on the certs themselves ,if not call the school..Even if they are a bit late the NMC may take pity on you, I have known a few people that turned in over due certificates but you can't count on that..If they are over a year, best to call NMC and try to submit what you have ...

[jmack383]

Yes, but you should do your own research as well...

I believe that all of those course certificates expire within one year..Mine did when I was going for AB..They may say how long they are good for on the certs themselves ,if not call the school..Even if they are a bit late the NMC may take pity on you, I have known a few people that turned in over due certificates but you can't count on that..If they are over a year, best to call NMC and try to submit what you have ...

Thanks, the only one that has a expiration date is the first aid cert.

[Capt Brian]

too bad it isn't in the policy letter....

Paragraph 7 of enclosure 1 of Policy Letter 14-02 does specify the requirements for the assessor.

[Shellback]

Paragraph 7 of enclosure 1 of Policy Letter 14-02 does specify the requirements for the assessor.

You're right, it states what you quoted earlier...

Note that the policy letter clearly states "master, chief mate, or an officer in charge of the watch who holds a license of second mate or higher" . There is a potential that your assessments will be 'kicked' back becasuse a 500/1600 Mate or 3rd Mate signed off.




What I am saying is that in the RFPNW check off list, it actually okays 500/1600 Ton Masters...It spells it out and takes any guess work out of the equation...Remember early last year, there was a big discussion about who could or could not sign these off?..

The closest thing to that in the assessors manual is the following..


An assessor should hold the level of license, endorsement, or professional credential required for the proficiency being assessed. In addition, the assessor should review the assessment materials and receive a basic introduction to techniques and issues associated with assessing mariner proficiency through practical demonstration.

[Capt Brian]

And I wonder why my hair is falling out.....lol

[trekleader]

STCW all 4 certifications...First Aid, Basic Personal Safety and Social Responsibilities, 16 hour basic firefighting, and Personal Survival Techniques. I have received all 4 from a coast guard approved school but it has been over a year since I took the course. I was wondering if I would still be able to use them to upgrade to A/B?
Thanks

Just to be precise, that class is called "Basic Safety Training", not "STCW".

Did you turn it in to the USCG within 12 months of taking the course? If you didn't, then (and I could be wrong) I believe it's expired.

If you did turn it in to the USCG, then it's good for 5 years. At the end of that time (or just before) in order to re-validate it, you'll need to turn in appropriate sea-service recency (which I don't remember how much is required). If one had been issued an ACTUAL STCW certificate (not BST) then another option is to take a BST Refresher course (I think, someone feel free to correct me if I've stepped on my d*ck)