This is a TEST of the new NMC West Virginia, This is only a TEST!

**Capt. Lee** · April 2nd, 2008, 11:04 PM

The 1600/3000 is unrestricted. The OSV endorsement is just that, an endorsement to the 1600/3000 but it is restricted to service only on Offshore Supply Vessels. Now it seems there is some confusion with the new Mate/Master OSV and the new Large Offshore Supply Vessel Licenses i.e. 6000 ITC are coming out as straight Master OSV. Like a separate license altogether even though it is an endorsement to my unrestricted 1600 ton. I have had it written so many ways. I have even had it say Master 6000 ton Domestic, Master of Large Offshore Supply Vessels, Master OSV, etc. I need the endorsement to run as Master on the vessel I am on which is 5922 ITC, but I have never ran as the Master on here yet so I can legally run on here with my 2nd Mate AGT. When I am done the only endorsement I will have to deal with is my towing endorsement. Everything else will be lagniappe.

**anchorman** · April 3rd, 2008, 05:34 AM

Leeroy,<div>**Don't give bogus information. OSV is not an endorsement. You can have a Master OSV as a stand alone license. Just because they typed it (OSV) on your license doesn't mean they endorsed your 1,600ton master; that simply means you met the requirements and they gave you another license. The large OSV program removes the 3,000ton license restrictions from an OSV license,....which they had to give you to remove the restriction in the first place.</div><div>There is a checklist for OSV licences on the homeport website, same as any other license.</div><div>You're confusing yourself, but it's fun to watch....</div>

**Capt. Lee** · April 3rd, 2008, 11:03 PM

It is now a stand alone license. I never had an OSV license. When I did my book and turned it in to the Coast Guard it was filled out as and endorsement. It was an endorsement to my 1600 ton orginially.

**anchorman** · April 4th, 2008, 01:05 AM

You're wrong as usual little one. I'm sure it had a comma, then it stated Also,Master of.......etc... You can't get any more grammatically clearer than that. I got mine in '98 without filling out a book and was given ...Also, Master of 6,000ton ITC OSV. This was separate, and was one of the first 6 ever printed and I don't remember it being an endorsement.* <div>You can get any endorsement on a 100Ton license, sailing, oceans, etc.., but never, ever OSV. If you didn't have a 500T or 1600T license, you had to test. The tests started around 2003, the exact same time the assessment books were required for the "Large" OSV license.</div> <div>*I got grandfathered and so did several others. Some got vessel specific licenses that stuck for years; some got what I got. </div> <div>What makes or did make the OSV an endorsement? </div><div>You even stated that you have four licenses....Or do you have a "towing" endorsement? Which one is it? </div>

**tengineer** · April 4th, 2008, 04:35 AM

I recently reviewed an application for an assistant engineer who had a "large OSV" endorsement and not knowing exactly what that meant I called the USCG NMC and spoke to a engineering officer. Here's the gist of what I was told. Since the guy's unlimited tonnage license allowed him to work on ANY vessel on any waters at any tonnage they usually issued the supply boat license as an endorsement since it is restricted to one type of vessel. The supply boat endorsement simply allowed him to work as Chief only on a big supply boat. Example; it is entirely possible for someone in the USA to get a Chief or Master large OSV license but only be qualified to work as a wiper/QMED or OS/AB on an unlimited tonnage vessel depending on the ratings on the back of the MMD. Therefore the least restrictive license "usually" was listed as the primary license with endorsements following for supply boats, fishing boats and whatever else they come up with in the future. On the other hand it can also depend on who is doing the typing in the REC that issued the license as some RECs aren't at all familiar with the supply boat and fishing boat categories. It sure would be simpler if the US would just issue licenses as other countries do without all the special categories.

**anchorman** · April 4th, 2008, 06:55 AM

Why is it an endorsement?*

**Capt. Lee** · April 4th, 2008, 11:13 AM

I really don't care, but I refuse to concede. I said It is a stand alone license now simple because now there is an OSV License. Are you telling me that Gary class, Akira class, Cal Dive aker dove class all of which are gone now. All those vessels owned and operated by Edison CHouest Offshore licenses were real licenses and not endorsements? Because that is what it is equivalent to. Exactly knuckle head I did say I have 4 licenses! I have been saying that for quite some time now....LEave me alone!!

**anchorman** · April 4th, 2008, 11:55 AM

Leave you alone? You wimp!!! Boo Hoo. Don't need your help in proving a fact. Here you go widdle bitty buddy.. <div><span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; white-space: pre; ] <div> <div> <div> <div> </div></div></div></div></div>

**Capt. Lee** · April 4th, 2008, 12:16 PM

That is freakin hilarious.LMAO

**Jeffrox** · April 4th, 2008, 03:01 PM

Well, all of you have really cleared this issue up for me! As for me, I went to the USCG to test for my 2nd Mate Oceans License and after I was done they asked if I wanted to take the 1600 Masters test, (about 60 to 70 questions I think), The test contained lots of what I expected and also LOTS of questions about ice. Didn't pass. I went home and studied all about ice then went back the next day and passed it no problem. I guess all the ice questions are on there because of the conditions a 1600 Master might encounter on the Great Lakes and in Alaska? When they printed my license it states Master first then 2nd Mate. As far as I know they could both stand alone and neither is an endorsement on the other.
BTW, what would a new employee with my license, working for Chouest on a 220' overseas expect to get payed.

**Capt. Lee** · April 4th, 2008, 11:12 PM

In Africa around 570 per day and whatever fuel you sell. It will be around that number just about everywhere overseas for Chouest. Some a little more. There is going to be some action in Alaska in the next few years and I am hoping the pay is going to rise with those vessels. The rumors are four ice breaker AHTS's, some large supply/cargo vessels. I think it is going to be big. The majors are planning on spending some serious dinero up there.

**Capt. Lee** · May 24th, 2008, 10:32 PM

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**tengineer** · May 28th, 2008, 06:02 PM

I am not at all familiar with the OSV license structure. Could someone please explain what is the shortest amount of sea time one would need and the tests required for the 6000t [maybe soon to be unlimited] OSV master or chief license? As an example please imagine a young person with no experience and nothing but a US MMD starting to work on OSVs and going the pure OSV route towards their license. How long would it take if they worked a 2 for 1 schedule and what tests are involved? I have looked on the NMC website but cannot find this information. Thanks

**jdcavo** · June 2nd, 2008, 08:46 AM

There is no Coast Guard exam to increase the tonnage of an OSV license. To go to 3,000 Gross Tons (ITC) you must complete one of the Coast Guard approved "Large OSV" training programs. The Coast Guard does not currently extend the tonnage on OSV license above 3,000 GT. IF the legislaltion above is passed, in all likelihood another training program will be needed. James D. Cavo Chief, Mariner Training & Assessment Division (NMC-2) USCG National Maritime Center <A href="mailto:James.D.Cavo@uscg.mil]James.D.Cavo@uscg.mil</A>

**anchorman** · June 2nd, 2008, 07:01 PM

James, Ha.....we never had Stew or Perry giving good information on here!!!!!

**jdcavo** · June 3rd, 2008, 09:55 AM

I'm new to this job, give me time.

**mrolnick** · August 27th, 2008, 02:15 PM

I just found out that ECO has an "agreement" with NMC that their (ECO's) large OSV course requires 56 days on an OSV greater than 3000 ITC, appropriate assessments, and at least 180 days as Master on an OSV greater than 1000 tons if you are applying for the Master OSV.

**jdcavo** · August 28th, 2008, 10:09 PM

It's not an "agreement", as myself and thers have said in this thread and others, it's an approved training program. James D. Cavo Chief, Mariner Training & Assessment Division (NMC-2) USCG National Maritime Center <A href="mailto:James.D.Cavo@uscg.mil]James.D.Cavo@uscg.mil</A>